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Thursday, December 18, 2014
tug, tug, tug and eyes
He just doesn't put his heart into tugging, and despite praising him up and down and asking J-man for his tricks, it's making no progress--I'm getting annoyed!
To even things out, he is having MUCH more fun with tennis balls when I bounce them on the patio, or he'll chase them more consistently.
I asked Glen how to get him more into it. His answer is to leave Jorah in his crate, give him a chance to tug, and if he isn't doing it vigorously--back in the crate.
Started that today, since I have the night off-if he's going to be stuck, at least I can be around in the room. WHenever I tell him to "tug" (which he totally KNOWS) he just jumps on me and ignores the toy. The third time I did it, saw that he was bleeding from a weird bump that showed up on his eyelid two days ago. To the VET! We now have drops and a little bit of antibiotic, in case it is a syst. cyst?
Let him walk around the house a bit, I wanted to let him out on his line, but when I asked him to tug, he just walked off after a quick sniff, and sat there waiting for me to open the door. I'm annoyed that I wasn't quick enough to "YES" his sniff. I'm pretty much begging the "fool dog," but nadda. Back into the crate. (He peed all over outside the vet's, so outside time was just going to be a treat.) He might be mistaking the WHY he is going into the crate. So I am giving him far more opportunities to figure it out before working up to full 1-2 day crate time like Glen prescribed. (*shudder*) "whoa! a whole-that seems really long." "You think he's a person. He's not, he's a dog." Then his story about how he might just clean kennel, feed, potty his dogs without speaking to them for a whole day, and the next one they are very amped to work. "The things we must do for perfection." said he.
I broke rule in my despair and googled what other people suggest.
http://susangarrett.wordpress.com/2009/03/17/tug-drive/
This blog pointed out the terrible folly of my ways, and the comments have some great advice. I may make my own treat tugger. Thinking designs with a 2 liter, a plug, and bungies. Or maybe two to make a "door" open.
(tug-a-jug)
Often times creating the drive isn’t the problem, it is losing it along the way. As we know all behaviours increase due to reinforcement and, in my opinion, the number one reason dogs stop tugging is because people reinforce it. Yes you do! Lets say your puppy was tugging madly and loving it, so while working a recall the puppy races to you and you put down the toy to tug. However the puppy can smell that garlic liver in your pocket so he won’t tug. You dance the toy around to try to get the puppy to go after it and finally you shove it in his face, still he won’t be persuaded. The puppy won’t tug. Meanwhile, you think you need to reward him for coming when he was called and since he doesn’t want the tug, you give him the garlic liver in your pocket . If I have said it once I have said it a thousand times, “dogs are far better at shaping people than people are at shaping dogs.” Since reinforcement builds behaviour what did you just reinforce? You rewarded the dog for ignoring the toy and NOT tugging when asked. Reinforcement builds behaviour and that is exactly what you get, a dog that chooses not to tug when asked.
gaaaah!!!! I have done that with tugs AND balls! Rue. Rue-age! blegggh. Forewarned and forearmed, at least.
At least I'm not alone. While not unique, I think it’s worth mentioning. At your skills camp in Dec. I think my aussie and I did only 1 or 2 of the activities because my whole attention was on getting her interested in tugging. I’d all but given up. Not only did the Tug It set her on fire, but after she ripped the handle off last week she’s now transferred her intensity to another similar velcro, bait bag type toy!
hmmmm, I have velcro. And a sewing machine. and denim. and ropes that he will not flipping miss. Hmmmmm.
This is a great idea!!!! I really need to think of ways to add more (some?) shaping to his training life.
by Sandra Sepcaru Tuesday, March 17, 2009 at 7:49 am
http://susangarrettdogagility.com/2010/04/punishment-pros-and-cons/
http://susangarrettdogagility.com/2011/01/respecting-the-value/
http://susangarrettdogagility.com/2010/04/birds-sheep-rats-and-other-out-of-control-rewards/
><><><><http://www.clickerdogs.com/createamotivatingtoy.htm
OMG me playing with the toy and genuinely enjoying myself with it while he watched from the crate, then letting him out and keeping it from him TOTALLY WORKED~!!!!
He first grabbed his own rope toy, which he has ignored for 3 months. *tears* It was so cute. "Oh, you think YOUR toy is better than mine?"
You can only change yourself, indeed.
He even started tugging on my rope! at a point where he lost grip I put it away. Now he is outside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqeTUyoSBIs
To even things out, he is having MUCH more fun with tennis balls when I bounce them on the patio, or he'll chase them more consistently.
I asked Glen how to get him more into it. His answer is to leave Jorah in his crate, give him a chance to tug, and if he isn't doing it vigorously--back in the crate.
Started that today, since I have the night off-if he's going to be stuck, at least I can be around in the room. WHenever I tell him to "tug" (which he totally KNOWS) he just jumps on me and ignores the toy. The third time I did it, saw that he was bleeding from a weird bump that showed up on his eyelid two days ago. To the VET! We now have drops and a little bit of antibiotic, in case it is a syst. cyst?
Let him walk around the house a bit, I wanted to let him out on his line, but when I asked him to tug, he just walked off after a quick sniff, and sat there waiting for me to open the door. I'm annoyed that I wasn't quick enough to "YES" his sniff. I'm pretty much begging the "fool dog," but nadda. Back into the crate. (He peed all over outside the vet's, so outside time was just going to be a treat.) He might be mistaking the WHY he is going into the crate. So I am giving him far more opportunities to figure it out before working up to full 1-2 day crate time like Glen prescribed. (*shudder*) "whoa! a whole-that seems really long." "You think he's a person. He's not, he's a dog." Then his story about how he might just clean kennel, feed, potty his dogs without speaking to them for a whole day, and the next one they are very amped to work. "The things we must do for perfection." said he.
I broke rule in my despair and googled what other people suggest.
http://susangarrett.wordpress.com/2009/03/17/tug-drive/
This blog pointed out the terrible folly of my ways, and the comments have some great advice. I may make my own treat tugger. Thinking designs with a 2 liter, a plug, and bungies. Or maybe two to make a "door" open.
(tug-a-jug)Often times creating the drive isn’t the problem, it is losing it along the way. As we know all behaviours increase due to reinforcement and, in my opinion, the number one reason dogs stop tugging is because people reinforce it. Yes you do! Lets say your puppy was tugging madly and loving it, so while working a recall the puppy races to you and you put down the toy to tug. However the puppy can smell that garlic liver in your pocket so he won’t tug. You dance the toy around to try to get the puppy to go after it and finally you shove it in his face, still he won’t be persuaded. The puppy won’t tug. Meanwhile, you think you need to reward him for coming when he was called and since he doesn’t want the tug, you give him the garlic liver in your pocket . If I have said it once I have said it a thousand times, “dogs are far better at shaping people than people are at shaping dogs.” Since reinforcement builds behaviour what did you just reinforce? You rewarded the dog for ignoring the toy and NOT tugging when asked. Reinforcement builds behaviour and that is exactly what you get, a dog that chooses not to tug when asked.
gaaaah!!!! I have done that with tugs AND balls! Rue. Rue-age! blegggh. Forewarned and forearmed, at least.
At least I'm not alone. While not unique, I think it’s worth mentioning. At your skills camp in Dec. I think my aussie and I did only 1 or 2 of the activities because my whole attention was on getting her interested in tugging. I’d all but given up. Not only did the Tug It set her on fire, but after she ripped the handle off last week she’s now transferred her intensity to another similar velcro, bait bag type toy!
hmmmm, I have velcro. And a sewing machine. and denim. and ropes that he will not flipping miss. Hmmmmm.
This is a great idea!!!! I really need to think of ways to add more (some?) shaping to his training life.
More recently, I have been working on transferring their interest in tugging to other toys so they have been earning their meals for tugging hard on lots of different kinds of toys. The way I did this is I started by holding a toy lightly in one hand with no pressure and holding a piece of food in the other. I shaped the behavior of getting the toy out of my hand. This is also a rule out game because sniffing the hand with the food does not get them the food. When they got the idea that they had to get the toy out of my hand, I gradually made it more difficult by increasing the tension on the toy. When they get the toy out of my hand, I say “yes” and give them a piece of food. At this point, they are pulling very hard as I slap them around and push them while they tug. I am making it very hard for them to win, but eventually I let them. Sometimes even my little dog wins fair and square. She has figured out that it is easier to get the toy out of my hand if she swings her body around so that my arm twists!
I also want them to quickly bring the toy back to me when they get the toy from my hand so I incorporated the retrieve game you taught me at a skills camp I attended into this game. Once they have the toy I slap my thigh and they have to quickly bring me the toy and pounce on me. When I say “give” they get to release the toy to me and get a cookie. Sometimes I run away, as I slap my thigh, and it is their job to quickly chase me, pounce on me, and make sure I have their toy. If they drop the toy as they pounce on me, too bad, they have to quickly get it and try again. Sometimes when they pounce on me and put the toy in my hand, I don’t say “give” and just re-start the tug game again. Sometimes I take the toy, send them to their crate or tell them to sit or down or stand and then I throw the toy. Of course they can’t get it until I release them. When I do release them, I tell them to get “the tug” and they must fly to the toy and get and re-start the retrieve/tug game. At this point, I randomly reward either their tugging strength, by rewarding when they get the toy out of my hand, or their speedy retrieve, by giving them the cookie when they bring me the toy by immediately saying “give” when they’ve successfully put the toy in my hand, or I have them repeat the sequence a few times before I reward them with their cookie. Since my dogs are fairly hungry and are getting their meals for playing this game with me, they are very fast and driven.
I’m having a lot of fun with this game and am constantly coming up with variations on the theme of this game so that I can use it to build drive and speed for working on other tasks.
Sandra
by Sandra Sepcaru Tuesday, March 17, 2009 at 7:49 amhttp://susangarrettdogagility.com/2010/04/punishment-pros-and-cons/
http://susangarrettdogagility.com/2011/01/respecting-the-value/
http://susangarrettdogagility.com/2010/04/birds-sheep-rats-and-other-out-of-control-rewards/
><><><><http://www.clickerdogs.com/createamotivatingtoy.htm
OMG me playing with the toy and genuinely enjoying myself with it while he watched from the crate, then letting him out and keeping it from him TOTALLY WORKED~!!!!
He first grabbed his own rope toy, which he has ignored for 3 months. *tears* It was so cute. "Oh, you think YOUR toy is better than mine?"
You can only change yourself, indeed.
He even started tugging on my rope! at a point where he lost grip I put it away. Now he is outside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqeTUyoSBIs
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